From one of the offices of the Vox delegation in the European Parliament, the intervention of Pope Leo XIV can be heard in the background. At that moment, the pontiff is still in Barcelona, but his words are heard clearly even from the hallway. The papal visit to the Canary Islands and the entry into force of the European Union's Pact on Migration and Asylum have once again placed the issue of migration at the center of political debate, both at the national and community levels.
The regulation, initially agreed upon during the Spanish presidency of the Council of the EU, aims to tighten the criteria applied in Europe for accessing international protection. Among other measures, it establishes accelerated procedures for applications considered to have a low probability of obtaining asylum, especially in the case of individuals from countries whose international protection recognition rates are below 20% in the European Union.
One of the main proponents of the pact has been MEP Jorge Buxadé (1975), negotiator for the part relating to Eurodac, the European database intended to identify and register asylum seekers and individuals who irregularly cross the EU's external borders. On the occasion of the reform's entry into force, he speaks with Demócrata in his office, in the legislative heart of the European Union, to delve into the keys of one of the most ambitious and controversial migration reforms in recent years.

Question: The pact comes into force this Friday. It promises solid and secure external borders through identity checks. Do you believe the new identification system with biometric data is sufficient to regain control of Europe's borders?
Answer: No, it is not sufficient. It is a tool in the hands of the Member States, a better tool than what existed before, but it is not sufficient. Border protection essentially involves preventing entry into European territory of those who cannot enter, and that is what the Asylum and Migration Pact did not resolve. That is the fundamental reason why we voted against practically the entire pact.
You cannot create a set of rules to establish the procedures for how people can enter without establishing the rules for how they must leave, which is what we will now have with the Returns Regulation.
Jorge Buxadé:“The European People's Party will end up on our side. I have no doubt that, after the 2027 electoral cycle, the European landscape will be totally different”
Question: The Commission has acknowledged that some states still lack control facilities or border procedures. To what do you attribute this lack of infrastructure?
Answer: I believe it is a lack of political will. We have governments like Sánchez's that, despite saying they are committed to the European project, are actually destroying the European project.
Sánchez, with his regularization of illegal immigrants, has devastated and rendered the asylum and Schengen pacts into a dead letter. He has put Schengen at risk because the massive legalization of 700,000 people who should return to their countries means bringing 700,000 people into the system, or we don't know how many in reality. Many will stay in Spain, but many will go to France, to Germany, wherever they have family, friends, acquaintances, or believe they can find a better life.
Question: One of the pact's objectives is to prevent leaks and secondary movements between EU countries. Do you think the rules that oblige the applicant to remain in the country of first entry are really enforceable without internal borders?
Answer: It should be enforceable if there is the will of the governments. It should be enforceable because that foreigner who enters through Spain and is given a residence permit and goes to a second country, in that second country at some point has contact with the public administration.
That contact can be because they want to register their residence, because they request a health card, because they ask for housing assistance or assistance for thousands of things. Therefore, that State must immediately communicate with the other State and proceed with the return.
Of course, if there is political will. The problem is that we still have many governments in the member states, socialist and popular, that are not really understanding what the majority of Europeans are asking for: to bring order and initiate this process of mass deportations.
Question: How do you assess the capacity of member states to apply these responsibility compensations if relocations occur?
Answer: This is what I said today at the press conference. What's the point? We were talking about 30,000 or 21,000 for the first year. If Sánchez has just legalized 100,000 international protection applicants, that's it, he has already met the quota.
European solidarity cannot be outside the law and common sense. True European solidarity is that the 27 member states commit to the fact that there can be no one in Europe who is not working, complying with the law, and not living on aid.
Every foreigner who lives on aid, of course those who commit crimes and those who have entered or are illegally present, have only one destination: to leave Europe.
That is true solidarity. That is what would make all states committed to defending European law. The most curious thing here is that we, the patriotic and conservative parties, who are accused of being anti-European, are the most European. We are the ones trying to defend the law and common sense in Europe, while those who call themselves pro-European are the ones destroying Europe.

Question: Do you consider that the payment of financial contributions to the solidarity mechanism is a covert way of forcing states to accept the migratory management of other countries?
Answer: It is undoubtedly part of a kind of coercion from Brussels. The previous system, the Dublin Regulation, was a failure because it imposed mandatory quotas. They said: "Well, either mandatory quotas or you pay for not having immigrants."
From a moral point of view, this is very serious because they have put a price on human life. Twenty thousand euros. You pay 20,000 euros and that's what an immigrant is worth to these people.
These people who give us moral lessons cannot give us any. We do not want to put a price on human life. They are responsible for the fact that in recent decades 50,000 people have died at sea trying to enter because they are the ones who call them.
Jorge Buxadé:“You cannot create a set of rules to establish the conditions for entry without establishing the conditions for exit”
Question: Moving on to the Returns Regulation, the Spanish Government has said it will not sign agreements with third countries within this framework. What would you do if you came to La Moncloa?
Answer: We do not promise anything, but we do commit to applying the Returns Regulation with the maximum possible rigor.
The regulation has a very good thing and that is that it gives States a certain margin of freedom, because sovereignty remains with the Member States.
Our commitment is to take it to its fullest extent, to close agreements with all States with which it is possible using all the diplomatic tools that Spain has and to initiate that process of deportations and departure from the national territory.
We have to play with international aid, development cooperation, visas, public contracts. There is a country like Morocco, which is our neighbor, that is not fulfilling its obligations. We have to exercise all diplomatic power to ensure that Morocco complies and takes back all Moroccans who are in Spain and who should not be.
Question: In the list of safe third countries, countries like Morocco or Bangladesh appear. With which countries could Spain reach agreements within the framework of this regulation?
Answer: I think with all of them. With all the Ibero-American countries, with all the Maghreb countries, and with all the Sahel countries. That is our objective.
It is true that in recent months we have seen the arrival of people from Bangladesh or Pakistan. Of course, from Pakistan to Spain there are ten countries in between. They have transited through all those countries and they are practically all safe countries. Morocco is, Egypt is, Algeria is, with which we also have relations.
Therefore, in those countries we have many possibilities to proceed with those returns. But I think Spain has to sign international agreements for returns with all countries.

Question: One of the most controversial parts of the regulation is the possibility of entering homes by court order when the presence of an irregular immigrant is detected.
Answer: Here, the European left or progressives want to place the foreigner with more rights than the European himself.
For example, in Eurodac, the left opposed having a facial image of the foreigner in the biometric registry. However, you have a National Identity Document where your face appears.
They said: "No, it violates fundamental rights." How? What happens? Does the foreigner have more rights than the European? It is absolutely immoral.
They are playing invasion. They have promoted invasion. There is a plan from the European Commission, there is a plan from the UN and we reject that plan.
Question: In migration management, should European borders, through Frontex, or national borders be responsible for managing these processes?
Answer: That is the responsibility of the Member States. Frontex is an agency that can serve to help and cooperate in certain situations and at certain times with national police forces.
We have the capacity with our National Police, with the Civil Guard and with the Army to protect our borders.
Jorge Buxadé: “The European Commission is limited to issuing a paper saying it is 'deeply concerned'. That is useless”
Question: Although the pact comes into force this Friday, the Commission acknowledges that its full implementation will still take months. Do you fear that it will become a permanent bureaucracy incapable of resolving the migration crisis?
Answer: It undoubtedly will be due to a lack of political will. It is a scandal that the Member States and the Commission itself have had two years to adjust the entire IT and technical structure.
When they want to, they were prepared for the digital euro two years ago and wanted to do it in two months. When there is will, it gets done.
I am not aware of what actions the Government of Spain, Mr. Marlaska, has taken to train the National Police, the Civil Guard, and all elements of state security in compliance with the new Eurodac regulation and border control.
Will they do it on Monday, when the first boat arrives in the Canary Islands? Will they apply the border control procedure? Will we have a Eurodac regulation? Will the foreigner be held for seven days in a center to determine their origin, identity, and travel documents, and, if applicable, be put on the path to departure? Or will they be in the peninsula in 24 hours?

Question: What response did you expect from the European Commission to the mass regularization promoted by the Spanish Government?
Answer: The response has been absolutely lukewarm. A formal condemnation of a decision that affects the 27 member states, which puts Schengen at risk and constitutes a fraud to the Asylum and Immigration Pact.
The explanatory memorandum of the royal decree of regularization literally states that this regularization is done quickly and by urgent procedure to avoid the effects of the Asylum and Immigration Pact.
They don't even hide it. The Government has carried out a regularization to avoid the effects of the pact, to prevent those people from being registered in Eurodac and to avoid the border control procedure. They have done it on purpose.
And the European Commission is limited to issuing a paper from time to time saying that they are "deeply concerned". That is useless.
We would have liked a statement from the commissioner and, of course, from Von der Leyen, but they do not do it because in reality it suits them that Sánchez assumes the cost of executing their plan.
Question: Can we expect a defense of national priority also at the European level?
Answer: We continue to insist that the Popular Party break its agreements here in Brussels with the Socialist Party, which it has not done.
National priority is the most important thing for us. Then there is a principle of community preference that has historically been applied in areas such as trade agreements, agriculture, or livestock.
The logic is to ensure national priority first and then community preference. It is logical.
Family priority: first your family, then your municipality, the place where you live, your nation, the European Union, and lastly, third countries.
Question: How do you assess that the Popular Party criticizes these principles during the election campaign and then adopts them as its own in the investiture debates we are seeing in the Autonomous Communities?
Answer: Because it has understood. It has realized that it is good for Castilla and León, good for its neighbors, and that it is just.
Many things are said during election campaigns, and then parties demonstrate maturity. That is what Vox has demonstrated: maturity, preparation, capacity, and talent to reach agreements. Now it is up to us to execute them.

Question: Is the European People's Party understanding now that the main legislative files are moving forward with the support of patriots and conservatives?
Answer: I believe the European People's Party has a very serious problem. Although it wants to continue maintaining its coalition with the socialist group and the greens, it knows that this leads to losing elections.
We support, for example, the Returns Regulation out of conviction. They do it out of electoral interest.
I would like them to do it out of conviction, but if they do it out of electoral interest, so much the better, because I believe they are good things.
At the beginning of the legislature, we said that five years is a long time and that the European People's Party would end up coming to our side. We are halfway through the legislature, there is another half left, and I have no doubt that, after the 2027 electoral cycle, with elections in France, Spain, Poland, and Italy, the European landscape will be totally different.
Question: Pope Leo XIV recently stated at a large mass in Madrid that "one can kneel before the Lord and despise one's brother"
Answer: I absolutely agree.
Despising one's neighbor is telling them to come live in Europe without papers, without a job, and to live on social benefits.
As we love our neighbor, we want them to be able to live and develop in their countries of origin. We want to guarantee their right not to emigrate and for Morocco to grow, for Mali to grow, and for Senegal to grow. It is immoral to call them, to provoke uprooting in them, and also to produce uprooting and a rupture in our societies.

The interview ends, but the conversation does not. As the recorders are turned off and assistants begin to peek into the office, Buxadé continues to weave arguments about the future of European migration policy. In Brussels, where majorities change slowly and files usually advance more slowly than headlines, the MEP is convinced that the debate has definitively shifted towards more "rational" positions. His thesis is that many of the proposals that were considered marginal just a few years ago are now part of ordinary institutional discussion.
Outside the office, the European Parliament continues with its usual routine of meetings, negotiations, and votes. However, the entry into force of the Pact on Migration and Asylum leaves an open question that transcends this legislature and its protagonists: whether the new rules will serve to respond to one of the most sensitive issues for European citizens or if they will end up swelling the long list of community reforms whose effectiveness will ultimately depend on the political will of the member states to implement them.